Probably hit a vein

Supreme Member Age : 42 Joined : 11 Apr 2008 Posts : 104

Hello everyone! I am doing SQ injections and this morning I had a very LARGE drop of blood come out when I withdrew from my abdomen. I know I probably went through or nicked a little capillary or vein. I waited an hour and have not had any reactions like sweating, dizziness etc, but I'm not sure where the hcg went.

If it did get into the vein then the hcg won't work today. It's only one day but I'm on a roll (lost 2 more pounds then my ticker says) and its early in my phase. My question is, should I just chalk this up as experience? Has anyone done a 2nd shot?

I know I should withdraw when I'm doing an injection but I don't in the abdomen because for some reason it reallsy stings, and I've got a really good amount of fat there. I must have some really superfical veins in my belly! Anyway, any advice would be appreciated.
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Subject: Re: Probably hit a vein Fri Apr 18 2008, 15:47

Well, I don't think you have anything to worry about. Even if it went into a vein, that shouldn't make a difference. There are people who inject into the muscle and there are people who take the liquid form so I don't know why it wouldn't work today. Even so, you are right, it's only one day. I occasionally get a drip of blood but never a big drop. I inject in the belly too. I try to look for the veins before I inject so I miss it but I wouldn't worry. As long as you are keeping everything sterile, that is your biggest concern. way to go

Supreme Member Age : 42 Joined : 11 Apr 2008 Posts : 104

If it hits a vein and goes into your bloodstream it gets metabolized very differently and much faster than if you inject IM or SQ. It probably got "broken down" before it got to the appropriate tissue and is now harmless, and that's better than having a reaction to it. Most medications are meant to be delivered in very specific ways and if taken differently can react differently than they were meant to, including damaging tissue, causing an immune response etc.

I'm not really worried about harmful effects with 1 small dose of hcg but didn't know if anyone knew anything, or had it happen to them. The day is almost over now anyway, and I'm sure I still have some in my system! Thanks for your response.
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Subject: Re: Probably hit a vein Fri Apr 18 2008, 16:47

Glad you're still here to talk about it!! lol!

I always try to watch for the little veins because my skin is so light it's pretty easy to see but there have been a few times that a little tiny bit of blood came out when the needle hit the skin. Good to know though about it metabolizing so differently. I always wondered about taking it sub-lingually, how is it metabolized? Doesn't it get into the blood stream by ingesting it? Just curious...

Supreme Member Age : 42 Joined : 11 Apr 2008 Posts : 104

When you take medication sublingually (under the tongue) you don't swallow it so it isn't "ingested", rather it's absorbed from the mucosa under the tongue into superficial veins there and then into larger veins and then into the superior vena cava of the heart! Its absorption is relatively fast- a lot faster than oral medication.

Oral medications are swallowed and then travel through the GI Tract where they can be destroyed by enzymes etc. or poorly absorbed (especially by someone who has problems in the GI Tract)or act just like they were intended. The drug is then pulled out of the GI Tract usually from the small intestines into the blood stream where it then travels to the liver. It is either activated along the way or in the liver or it is metabolized there. Some meds have to coated so they don't get broken down in the stomach and concentrations account for the fact that the absorption is less and much slower than other routes.

Subcutaneous and intramuscular medications get transported from the muscle or fat into capillaries by passive diffusion and then travel to the appropriate tissue where they can act. The drug doesn't have to go to the liver unless that is where it is supposedto act. Their rate of absorption is rapid also (SQ is a bit slower than IM) compared to oral and is about the same as sublingual.

The fastest method of administration is through the blood stream- THERE IS NO ABSORPTION so drugs are 100% available- every bit. These drugs have immediate effect!

So you see why if a dose that was meant to be IM was taken orally or intravenously or whatever it might have a different effect than intended and vice versa!The people taking hcg sublingual take a different dose than SQ or IM which are about the same method of distribution.

Hope I didn't get too technical...having some book smarts doesn't mean I understand the way things really work!
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Subject: Re: Probably hit a vein Sat Apr 19 2008, 05:42

I am actually doing the sublinqual way this time and I really do like it. I had to cut down my dosage because I was getting to much. When you mix as directed you can feel it soaking directly into your skin tissue under your tongue. I do not eat or drink 15 minutes before or 15 minutes after. I don't know if medically it gives me an advantage but I do not want anything in my mouth except for the hcg. I want it to be able to soak in without any other competition in my mouth.
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Supreme Member Age : 42 Joined : 11 Apr 2008 Posts : 104

Hey Penster; from what I read sublingual administration has the most effective absorption out of the three methods. I didn't know we could take it that way until a couple of days ago, but I might consider it for R2. I don't mind the needles now but I may be singing a different tune after 40+ days!
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Subject: Re: Probably hit a vein Sat Apr 19 2008, 06:34

I ABSOLUTELY love doing it this way. I am having the same great results and I am not having to give myself injections. The difference is you take half in the morning and half at night. I end up taking my first dose in the morning around 6:00 am and the other one I do not get to take until around 10:00 at night. The best way to take it is 12 hours apart but I am never at home until it is later. You will forget to take a dose everynow and then. When you do just start at the same dosage amount the next morning or if you forget the morning dose you can start in the evening. I have forgotten the whole day. I just restarted the next morning.
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Subject: Re: Probably hit a vein Sat Apr 19 2008, 18:10

Very interesting, thanks for the insights Sus! a-ok

Subject: Re: Probably hit a vein Thu May 29 2008, 14:48

How does that work to take it under the tongue?? Do you use the same stuff as the injections....how do you figure the doses??

This is so interesting......if I didn't have to give injections that would be awesome woo hoo

I'm so new to this and am learning a ton of stuff!!

Theresa

Subject: Re: Probably hit a vein Thu May 29 2008, 17:47

Here is more information about the sublingual method:

http://www.hcgsupportgroup.com/types-of-hcg-f56/sublingual-t734.htm
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Denise

Subject: Re: Probably hit a vein Thu May 29 2008, 21:34

Oh, thank you this might just be a God send....thank you a-ok

I'm starting to ofigure out how to get around on this site which is awesome too.

Theresa

Supreme Member Age : 42 Joined : 11 Apr 2008 Posts : 104

I have been doing sublingual for almost 2 weeks now, its nice not having to stick myself! Join the SL group...lots of great info!
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Subject: Re: Probably hit a vein Wed Jun 04 2008, 05:24

okay, I started the sublingual, this is my 3rd day. I have not lost a pound. Am I doing something wrong?? I followed the gals recipe for 200IU's. I was doing 175IU's with the injections. Am I doing too much now and what can I do because this is mixed for 15 days??

I lost 10# in 13 days on the injections (FYI)

Thanks for your help!!

Theresa

Subject: Re: Probably hit a vein Wed Jun 04 2008, 06:37

Try going up to 250 IUs a day (125 morning, 125 night). Sometimes you need quite a bit more doing subL because of absorption. And it could be that you just timed the change with a normal stall and it just seems like the change is the problem. If you aren't hungry, you are PROBABLY ok right where you are. Give it a couple more days.
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